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It’s the age-old gay dilemma: tops want bottoms, bottoms want tops — but where does that leave the vers guys? One curious gay man brought up this issue online by asking, “Strict tops/bottoms, why are verse guys such an issue?” and the gay internet didn’t hold back. While being versatile should mean having the best of both worlds, for some it somehow becomes a red flag. From stories of exes crying over their partner’s “vers” confession to bottoms declaring “if he’s bottomed before, he’s tainted,” it’s clear that for some, flexibility in bed still challenges the fantasy. But maybe the real question is — why are we still so afraid of a little flip-fucking fun?
First however, let’s read the rest of the original poster’s statement. He added:
It’s no secret that vers guys are the majority. But I’ve seen quite a few comments and posts about strict tops and bottoms not wanting to get themselves involved with vers men, just strict opposite.
I’m a little bit confused on what the issue is, as strict T/B can always find a true vers guy to B/T for them. The best answer I can find is that it’s a dominance/submission thing and I’ve seen some strict bottoms saying that they don’t like vers guys topping them since they’ve bottomed, which they find ’emasculating,’ and they don’t see them as real men, which I completely disagree with, but if anyone can answer, that’d be great.
It’s one of those recurring discussions that reveal the fascinating contradictions within gay dating culture. For a community that celebrates openness and diversity, preferences can still carry surprisingly rigid expectations, especially when it comes to sexual roles. However, the divide between strict tops, strict bottoms, and versatile guys is more than just bedroom logistics; it touches on ego, sexuality, and even old-fashioned ideas about masculinity.
Many gay men weighed in with their personal experiences and frustrations. One commenter shared a story that perfectly captures how emotionally tangled this topic can get: “I told my ex I enjoy bottoming from time to time and he started crying and felt betrayed.” That short sentence alone says so much about how deeply sexual roles can shape a man’s sense of self-worth and his expectations of his partner.
Another gay man described a similar experience, giving a more detailed look into how role rigidity can erode a relationship. “Yeah, same here. I told my ex (a bottom) early in our relationship that I’m a vers top and have an urge to bottom a few times a year, but I guess he just ignored that. So, one year into our relationship I asked him to top me and while he did, he seemed very uncomfortable and borderline disgusted by it. Later towards the end of our relationship he brought it up and made it seem like I lied to him about not being a total top and how topping made him feel insecure about his penis size. I mentioned that I told him when we started dating and he was like ‘Well I thought that was in the past and that you’d changed.’”
That kind of reaction seem common, how some gay men tie sexual position to their masculinity or self-image. The stigma around versatility often comes from the belief that if a man bottoms, he somehow loses his dominance or his “top” credibility. One vers top wrote, “As a vers top, I notice it mostly with strict bottoms. Since I’ve bottomed before I’m ‘tainted.’ I’ve never had a strict top have an issue with the fact that I’ve topped before.”
And yet, others think the debate is overblown, or even ridiculous. “As a strict bottom, that is such a trivial thing to care about. At the end of the day, if I can get my hole filled, mission accomplished. Don’t need the top’s previous work experience,” one gay man joked, perfectly summing up a more carefree attitude toward the issue at hand.
But not everyone can detach so easily. Another vers guy shared, “I’ve seen this too! Vers guy here, and a strict bottom was talking to me about the prospect of hooking up. He mentions he’s into group situations and he’s fine with me being vers, but says if he sees me bottom at all, he won’t want anything to do with me after that point.”
Meanwhile the double standard is clear as well: a man’s sexual experience is celebrated only when it fits neatly into someone else’s fantasy. Some commenters, however, find that kind of thinking outdated and laughable. “I laugh my ass off at guys who think I can’t top because I’ve bottomed. Such a stupid premise, first, and second wouldn’t you rather a guy who knows what to do because he knows what it feels like? Lol.”
And then, of course, there are those who simply see the fun in fluidity: “Flip fucking is the best though.”
As the conversation unfolded, one thing became clear, being versatile isn’t a flaw, it’s flexibility. It’s knowing your body, what feels good, and being open enough to experience pleasure from both perspectives. Still, in a culture that can be obsessed with labels, that kind of openness can be seen as threatening to those who tie their identity too closely to one role.
Having said all that, we’ll throw this back to Adam4Adam blog readers: have you ever dated someone who had strong feelings about sexual roles? Do you think being versatile challenges traditional notions of masculinity? And more importantly, why do you think this debate still stirs such strong emotions in the gay community today? Share with us your thoughts and stories in the comments section down below.
As a bottom, I prefer a strict top, since there’s a clear communication of what the action will be. I’m not really ever interested in topping, and I’ve had several guys over the years try to get me to top them. It just winds up weird and awkward.
u make it akward . its called spoiled bratty selfishness to just call bottoms , strictly? then u shouldnt have a partener. because its a one sided ordeal. maybe u should just fuck urself!?
MC, Poundcakes is just expressing what he likes sexually. We can’t tell what he should do, call him names or judge him. Everyone is different and we all like and do different things.
Poundcakes is clear in what he seeks. The problem is …. what? There are plenty of Tops seeking a Bottom. And plenty of Bottoms looking for a Top.
And, too, guys who will Top or Bottom.
As long as everyone is clear up front, how’s that awkward or spoiled bratty selfishness?
This statement is half truth. There are not plenty of tops. I don’t care where you do a search. It’s not even close. Flat out lie. As for being a total bottom is not being spoiled bratty. His organ doesn’t perform in that way. It’s not his responsibility to fuck another man’s ass. Only certain gay men are capable of this skill.
Try that shit again in English?
Would you date a vers… Less than a quarter of the profiles I read on A4A say the guy is looking to “date”. Most are just looking for sex. Some are looking for that plus anything else that might come along. Few are looking to date, to find a long term guy, their prince , “someone who will accept me for who I am” (usually with no comments about what the could do for the prince). Good for them. Some are looking for sex, but with guys who would repeat it, Friends With Benefits. That’s a relationship, but not one… Read more »
I’m with you. Sex and seeking long term partnership for many of us are two different things, like the differences between monogamy and ENM/CNM or advancing that, polyamory. Total bottoms are at the end of my list, but this is my preference; YMMV.
I don’t even know what all those “initials” mean.
Versatility = Jack-of-all-Trades or Switching Hitting or Playing-both-ends-to-the-Middle? No matter which way you word it, it all comes down to whatever…!
Anal sex has nothing to do with being gay, and everything to do with imitating heterosexuals. It has been over-promoted by porn manufacturers, with their prostitute performers GROSSLY exaggerating the pleasure of it, which is very questionable. Frottage, or “the Princeton Rub”/intercrural intercourse, is far more natural, and is an ancient tradition between men, not insertion.
Who hurt you?
Better tell that to the Ancient Greeks and Mesopotamians
The touching of nerve endings by a guys wrist in my hole … jeesh, the cops show up. Hear me moan and they light up cigarettes.
In what way do you quantify what is “natural” and what isn’t? And how have you used that method to determine that intercrural sex is more natural than anal sex? Before you answer, note that referring to how long it’s been around (“ancient tradition,” etc) doesn’t address the question.
Top, Bottom, or Versatile ~~ who CARES as long as there is an attraction and Spark. If you have ANY imagination and ingenuity you can STILL find FUN and PLEASURABLE things to do together to SATISFY both of yas 🙂 !!!!
I am honestly a total bottom, but I have no problem being with a guy who’s averse as long as we communicate what each one likes! One guy I play with fairly regularly is verse but he also has one of the most amazing cocks I’ve ever felt.
I hate being with a guy who’s a verse, too. I’d much rather be with one who’s a poem.
Poetry is an acquired taste that I NEVER got so YOU can have MY share of the POEMS John – UNLESS they are HOT as hell and HUNG like a HORSE!!! 🙂 LOLOL
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I’m more top but can bottom. If I find a hot top guy, I can accommodate him when it comes to penetrative sex as long as he’s dick is average in size like most. In the last 5 years, I bottomed only about 3 times but would like to bottom more.
Mostly a bottom these days when fucking. So when i meet a guy on line and his profile says vers, i need clarification as to which they prefer. Most Everone has a preference.if you’re prefer bottom ( which is more often than not) I wll take a pass ! If you truly have no preference than you probably want to pass on me! If you can go either way but prefer topping then Im your man!!
I’m a total aggressive top- Only into total bottoms – total bottoms know what they are doing- a really good bottom doesnt just sit there and get drilled- They are active- moaning- bouncing.
As much as I love/want total bottoms- the grossest, biggest turn off are ass pics. RollAround A4A
·“…rigid expectations, especially when it comes to sexual roles.” … Aren’t rigid roles exactly what Gays have always fought against? But now some Gays slap other Gays with their expectations. ·“I told my ex I enjoy bottoming from time to time and he started crying and felt betrayed.” … You needed another partner. ·“I told my ex (a bottom) that I’m a vers top …. but I guess he just ignored that. So, one year into our relationship I asked him to top me and while he did, he seemed very uncomfortable and borderline disgusted by it.” … You, too,… Read more »
I find flip fucking very hot and erotic. Two masculine guys flipping after a long oral and kissing session is the best as far as I’m concerned. Frottage is awesome also; all good when the chemistry is spot on.
Well said!!!
I am a top man, but I will suck a dick if it’s to my liking,I do not bottom.Do it makes me vers??Just asking
No.
“Vers” almost always applies, unless specified otherwise, to anal sex.
When I came out in the 70s, I don’t recall this whole strict top/bottom thing at all. As I recall, one was usually expected to do both, the only question being: who got to cum first. Honestly my reaction (as a total vers, my momma taught me to give and receive! ) is that a total top is a pussy and a total bottom is lazy. ☺️
I won’t date a guy *unless he’s Vers. If a guy’s a “total Top,” he’s usually so obsessed with himself that he can only validate his narcissism by never bottoming. “Total Bottoms” are usually sucking black holes, useless in a relationship, and end up with buttholes so damaged, they require a football-sized dildo to feel anything.
If you keep painting with such a large brush, you’re going to end up a Seurat or a Courbet one day.
Cum and teach me Art History PLEASE ~~ I need to learn the difference between those painters 🙂
Total TOPS are SO in LOVE with themselves that the ONLY thing they’d ever FUCK is a CLONE!!!!!!! 🙂 LOLOL
Just because you suckered for a narcissist doesn’t mean we can be cubby-holed that way.
I’m vers, but I respect someone who only wants to fuck or get fucked.
I’ve never met a total top who wouldn’t fuck me or a total bottom who wouldn’t let me fuck them. Maybe I’m not hooking up enough.
FWIW, some of the best sex I’ve ever had was with “total bottoms” who I persuaded to fuck me (and they really liked it) and with “total tops” who let me fuck them (and really liked it).
Of the two, teaching a bottom how to fuck and how to do it well is really rewarding.
That reminded me of a bottom I made friends with. We lost track but met up again, when I saw he had put up a profile. He wanted me to try bondage on him. Partway through he panicked. I untied him and cuddled and massaged him to relax him. While I was doing that he said he was feeling better, then he said he never knew his dick could get that hard. He said most tops just went to get the hole. So he never knew he could feel so good and get rock hard. Then he asked if I… Read more »
A reality is that a portion of gay/bi men are in it for the squirts, while others are around to get those squirts, and squirts validate them. Much depends on my mood on any day whether I’m trading, delivering, or getting them. Dating, for the record, is something else completely. Long term, I’m non-monogamous and versatile.
COOL dude – KEEP TURNING those HOT HUNG bottoms into TOPS!!! 🙂 We’ll ALL LOVE you for that Mr R L!!! 🙂 lolol
A lot of gay men think that Versatile guys are mostly bottoms.
I’ve always been Versatile. Its about the chemistry with the man I’m with and our needs or desires in the moment. Scripts are boring and usually selfish unless mutually agreed upon. Personally I don’t care to Top total bottoms, but I do enjoy bottoming for a Total Top.
With BDSM relationships I can see where a versatile guy would be confusing within a situation where sexual roles are very specifically defined.
Sadly, there are a lot of guys online that say they are vers but only want to bottom. It’s almost like they think it’s insulting to be called a bottom. I’ll admit I’m a bottom without any issue.
. . .It’s all about the physical and sexual chemistry. I LOVE to be domed in certain ways as someone who loves aspects of the leather scene, but I love to hump-use my dick, so I also LOVE fuck, so a total/ complete bottom, no, could never complete/fulfill all of my sexual desires . . . I think a lot of guys like me, have and do meet guys who are total bottoms, but are not honest about themselves. We all should know, sex, many times is about everything but, rather about power, and with bottoms, many times, it’s about… Read more »
Answer yes.
Sure as long as they bttm and domt expect me to bttm.
Absofriggenlutely YES. Especially a vers/top. I get the “To each their own.” … BUT, then the bottoms need to leave us vers guys alone. As a vers (or bttm/vers due to age, wear, neglect/abuse) my irritation is all the bottoms that believe I am willing to drive excessive distances just to pump and dump in their rear loading zone. RECENTLY after meeting a couple different individuals, they don’t like being limited by labels on gender and whatever else a dude -me- born to baby boomers wouldn’t understand. Then how is it they so easily adopt bottom only?!? Can’t get it… Read more »
Im a true vers,I love to fuck as much as I like getting fucked, sometimes its the mood, if ive been topping alot then I want to bottom for a bit.
Agree 100%
I can be VERS given the right circumstances and attraction but I prefer Bottom and have never heard anyone complain. Most Guys say I have an ass meant to be bred and if I am interested I usually let it play out. I SAH do not give it up to just anyone but when I am in the mood I want a masculine guy that is Total Top, somewhat aggessive with a high sex drive, If you look like a Top, portray yourself as a Top what I do not want to see is you ass up all fours expecting… Read more »
I don’t always want the same thing, so I assume that I am versatile, and I have no problem with being with another versatile person. I generally let it be known what I’m looking for ahead of time so there is no confusion. But there have been times when upon meeting someone my desires change. As long as we both have a good time, I see no problem. I have found that the best tops have bottomed before. They are better for having had the experience.
If gay couples get upset when asked who is the man & who is the woman, how exactly is a question like this any different?
How is a pushy bottom different than an aggresive top?
I find nothing wrong being versatile. Best of both worlds
I really don’t see why this topic is so controversial. Whatever a man wants to do in bed is his business, vers, side, bottom, top, Bator
People who write web stories like this are looking to attract hits and commotion. That’s what drives ads and social media. Yeah, I’m versatile. Not a big deal, but for some, it’s actually controversial. Every man gets to choose his joy. Mine is flip-fucking. Some guys like about being versatile and are just hoping to bottom. Only rarely is this the reverse.
I’m a bottom and in my experience, unless they are a complete TOP the other guy TYPICALLY wants to be topped AT SOME POINT. I am NOT a top and cannot perform in that capacity. Dick doesn’t work like that. I have YET to date a versatile guy who is completely satisfied just being my top. That’s when threesomes and having sex outside the relationship becomes an issue and I’m into monogamy. It’s like they are all technically bottoms with the ability to PERFORM as a top. This doesn’t technically make you versatile. You could probably give me a viagra,… Read more »
I am bi, I am also. 100% total bottom, I have never topped, and I don’t have any desire to top, infact I really don’t like my dick to be touched when I’m with a man, So I make it perfectly clear when I meet a guy, I usually click with guys that are 100% total tops, the kind that’s not into getting fucked or suck dick, If some of you guys didn’t know that those kinda top exist, yes it plenty tops out there that don’t suck dick or get fucked, if a guy ask me to fuck him… Read more »
I’m vers. myself I usually rather another vers. to date or if the other is a bttm. of top then I end to play the opposite depending on our arranged relationship.
My turn, your turn! (says a fellow vers). To me, that’s the way it ought to be. Explore everything. Leave no stone unturned, no ass unfucked, no cock not rammed.
Yea, it’s an issue. Not rocket science. ‘Nough said.
Yes. But he would also know I’m not. So, as long as that has been discussed, …
No problem as long as he doesn’t insist on topping me